1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,500 When did you start work in the union? 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:09,300 The work of the union - when I joined work I became a member of the union. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:17,300 At that time, slowly, as the need arose, the workers liked me 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:25,000 and elected us for their rights, that we would protect their rights. 5 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:32,300 But there were several unions in Maruti, HMS? 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:40,600 In Maruti, the first union I joined was INTUC. 7 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,900 It was a Congress? 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,200 Yes it was a trade union of the Congress. After that some people established HMS. 9 00:00:54,300 --> 00:01:03,400 It had a majority of 95%, nevertheless it did ot succeed. 10 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:08,400 Then the management suggested that some people should get together 11 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:14,200 and make an independent union, which has no relation to any of the political parties. 12 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:23,000 So in 1997, an indpendent union was made with a new registration. 13 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:28,600 INTUC was registered in Delhi. 14 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:33,700 Our company is in Haryana, so we took registration from Haryana, 15 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,400 we made an independent union which had no relation to anybody else. 16 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:44,200 This is the union that has come along. 17 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:48,500 After that, in Haryana there is the Indian National Lok Dal, the party of Ajay Chutala - 18 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:55,400 some of those people also tried to establish a union, but this was not successful. 19 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:58,100 Therefore until today there is just this independent union. 20 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:14,500 In 2000, 4,600 permanent employees were union members, and 1,500 - 2,000 from casual workers 21 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:20,300 so there were around 6,000 members. 22 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:27,000 In 1998, we had a wage agreement. 23 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:41,500 There was a government pension scheme in which we had demanded that this money would not be enough. 24 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,500 The second issue was that of incentives - 25 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,800 the management and unions had together prepared an incentive scheme 26 00:02:50,900 --> 00:02:53,000 which would be revised from time to time. 27 00:02:53,600 --> 00:03:02,200 In 2000, when we were struggling on this issue, this demand of ours was dropped, 28 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:04,400 and instead the management imposed the Good Conduct Undertaking, 29 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:13,300 although we had a standing order from the beginning that management and union sign the agreement in mutual understanding 30 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,900 and get it certified by the Harayana government. 31 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:29,500 Then as our agitation grew, the members of parliament of the government of India also came, 32 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:36,600 the leaders of other trade unions of India also joined us. 33 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:49,300 Our agitation was so big that nothing like this had happened in the 50 years of this country's history. 34 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,500 The legal case of the victimised people is still going on. 35 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:08,500 Our agitation went on for 3 months in which 4,000 workers surrounded the Industry Ministry for 29 days. 36 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,200 The media did not support us so much. 37 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:30,300 Among the public too there was the impression that these people earn quite well but still they are on strike. 38 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:36,700 But we had not gone on strike. 39 00:04:54,200 --> 00:05:07,400 The company had called the police and locked up the gates. 40 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:11,700 How many people were inside and how many were outside? 41 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,600 In the beginning, the maximum number of people were outside, 42 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:22,200 but after 15-20 days, a small group broke our unity and went inside. 43 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:31,400 People from the rival unions went inside. There was one union but there were different groups within it. 44 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:38,900 So people who were against us went inside, and they made an effort to get some more people to go inside. 45 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,600 But mostly they were people who had done apprenticeship in Maruti 46 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:52,000 - the management and contractors got them from outside and tried to make the factory run. 47 00:05:52,100 --> 00:06:02,000 But 4,000 people were outside and 500 - 600 people, including apprentices - you cannot do much production like this. 48 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:09,100 In the beginning we used to shout slogans at the gate, after that there was the closure of the factory, 49 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:15,100 with this we put up a tent outside the gates of Maruti. 50 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Because of this, the Maruti management got stay orders which said that we had to move 200 meters away. 51 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:26,400 So we moved 200 meters away, then they got another stay order that we should go 1,000 meters away, 52 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:41,300 so we went 1,000 meters away. After that the company gates were open and we did not try to stop anybody forcibly. 53 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:52,800 But the company's aim was to reduce the number of permanent employees. 54 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:56,800 As to reducing the number of permanent employees, we has also given them the option. 55 00:06:56,900 --> 00:07:00,800 We did not ask that people should be made permanent immediately - it takes 1-2 years for training. 56 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:11,400 But people have been working on contract for 8 years, and nothing has happened to reduce the number of contract workers. 57 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:18,700 Since 2000, they have increased contract workers and their production has been increasing. 58 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:29,100 Yes, it is true that the costs of the subcontract workers is low, but the economic conditions are not so good. 59 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,600 What do you learn from it? 60 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:44,900 What can be learnt from it that from 2000 to now, in all companies the atmosphere is as if you are getting work out of some donkey. 61 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:57,200 So this is the scene. It is not like before when a person worked he had a feeling of belonging - it was his company. 62 00:07:57,300 --> 00:08:02,200 In the whole India, whether it is the IT sector or somewhere else, 63 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:11,100 in India there was a culture that whichever company one has joined, only 2.5% changed their company. 64 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,800 For most, they retired from the company they had joined. 65 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:19,200 Now what has happened that a worker thinks that for my work I need this much money, but if I am not getting the money 66 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:26,200 and if another company is offering me more money, I will leave this company and go to another one. 67 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:29,600 Nowadays this is the environment in the whole of India. 68 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:32,400 What is in this picture? 69 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:44,100 This is the Industry ministry where 4,000 people went from here and occupied it 70 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:54,100 and for 29 days, we did not let the people of the ministry pass from here. 71 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,100 How did you get food? 72 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,900 Some people used to go and get us food. 73 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,500 It was in the winter? 74 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Yes, it was December